True Von Trapp Fashion
Air Date: April 20, 2020
#4 True Von Trapp Fashion
April 20, 2020
0:00 Interview with James Popham, Criminology Professor
12:15 Interview with Pilar Vergara-King, Psychology student and Senior Peer Mentor
20:03 Interview with Rachel Cavin, Recruitment and Admissions
Learn more about our host, guests and their work:
Bruce Gillespie, Associate Professor
- Learn more about Peer-Led Support and other study skill services at Learning Skills and Development.
One Market is created and produced by Bruce Gillespie and Tarah Brookfield. Music by Scott Holmes. Graphics by Melissa Weaver.
Bruce Gillespie 0:02
Welcome to One Market, keeping the Laurier Brantford community connected. I’m Bruce Gillespie. This is Episode Four. This week we get an update about Undergraduate Research Week, whose culminating event, an academic poster competition took place just before campus closed about a month ago. Then, we hear from a Psychology student who’s got great tips for students and instructors on how to make the most of online and remote learning. And then we check in with Brantford’s Welcome Centre Coordinator about how recruitment activities are continuing online. We’ll also hear about who’s using their children’s curtains to create a basement lecture studio in true Von Trapp fashion and who’s looking forward to a Great Laurier Brantford Baking Competition when we return to campus – besides me. All that and more coming up on this episode of One Market.
Our first guest is James Popham, a professor in the Criminology Department and coordinator of ACERS, the Academic Creative and Engaged Research Showcase that promotes undergraduate research at Laurier Brantford. I started off by asking James to tell us a little bit about the program.
James Popham 1:21
Basically, it gives students an opportunity to showcase the research that they’ve done, and the stuff that they’re proud of. The underlying idea here is that when a student composes a paper, they’re often just sharing the paper between themselves and the professor. And in many cases, they’re putting a lot of work and effort into creating these, these papers. And so, we wanted to give them a chance to show off the work that they were proud of. So, the ACERS Poster Showcase is an opportunity for the students to convert them into an academic format and accessible format that can then be shown off to a number of different people. On top of that, we also have a number of events throughout the ACERS Week, trying to show to students as well as the community the type of research that’s being conducted at Laurier Brantford and also, sort of, the different avenues where research and critical thinking skills that are developed during their post-secondary education can go on to benefit them in the future.
Bruce Gillespie 2:19
What I love about ACERS is how it highlights the amount of research being done at the undergraduate level. I think a lot of times people assume undergraduates are all about learning basic knowledge. And that you don’t actually do your own research until grad school. But, as we can see from things like these poster events, there’s tons of research being done by undergraduates, and it’s really interesting, and unique, and thoughtful and broad ranging, which you really see when you visit the poster session.
James Popham 2:44
Yeah, I was really impressed this year by the range of different poster topics that we saw, there wasn’t any single field that was dominating the poster showcase. And in fact, we had a number of different ways of looking at research and projects come out.
Bruce Gillespie 3:00
So, how many students participated?
James Popham 3:01
So, this year, there was approximately 50 students who participated. Now there were several groups, so, that means that there was about 30 posters in total, we saw as I mentioned, students from each of the different faculties that are present on the Brantford campus. So, that means that there was people from FLA, so the Faculty of Liberal Arts, from the Faculty of Human Social Sciences, from the Business Department, and from Game Design and UX as well.
Bruce Gillespie 3:29
If I remember the process right, and you will correct me if I’m misremembering, students are suggested by former instructors, having done interesting research. And then, they spend some time over this whole academic year actually putting their poster together, figuring out what that poster will look like. So, there’s quite a bit of work that goes into this, right?
James Popham 3:50
Yeah, we’ve tried to make it as easy as we possibly can for the students. One of the things that we did change this year is, students can self nominate now. So, while we still encourage professors to nominate outstanding students and outstanding papers, we do also think that it’s a good opportunity for students to, who really are proud of their own work to be able to present themselves. Now, they do still need to get a faculty member to support their application. But, we did try to encourage greater participation that way. From there, once the student has entered into the program, we then have workshops. So we have Shawna Reibling, who’s the knowledge mobilization officer up at the Department of Research Services, she comes down and gives two workshops on creating a poster. They’re both the same workshop. It’s just there’s alternate dates so that students can, if they miss one, they can go to the second one. And there’s where she’ll teach the students about the format for an academic poster as well as providing them with templates.
Bruce Gillespie 4:54
I was one of the many judges involved this year and I was so impressed by the quality of the posters. They really looked like professional academic posters, I was just blown out the water. They were so interesting, and so well done and communicated in such a variety of really engaging ways. I mean, I think academic posters can sometimes be really numbers or text heavy and sort of dry. But, I was really proud to see the different kinds of ways students were using their posters to create meaningful, engaging content.
James Popham 5:25
Yeah, it was great. You know, I think it takes students to break the mold. I think they have a lot more creative juices than some of us more established academics, let’s say.
Bruce Gillespie 5:37
James Popham 5:37
So, when we have something like a poster competition, which is taking a relatively old concept, I shouldn’t say ancient, but it’s been around for quite a while in the academic circles. But, they are applying their own perspective and their own insights onto it. And we wind up with really cool designs coming out and really different ways. We’re thinking outside of the box.
Bruce Gillespie 5:58
So, can you tell us who the winners of the poster event were?
James Popham 6:02
Right, so this year, the winner was a student from the History program. He produced a poster actually where he was looking at the Battle of Antietam, which was an important battle during the American Civil War. The second place award went to a number of students, a couple of students sorry, they’re from the Health Sciences Program up at the Waterloo campus, actually. And they had a very timely poster, they were talking about rabies vaccination, and had actually created a little comic book for use at elementary schools. And then, the third place poster was about an important topic, especially in the context of modern debates and dialogues, which was about genital mutilation.
Bruce Gillespie 6:52
Congratulations. It’s a really good event. And I think, certainly everyone seemed to have a really good time. And I think the students probably got a lot out of it.
James Popham 6:59
I hope so. I think there was a number of new elements this year, and I think it really did capture the students attention. So, for example, this year was the first year that we ran the competition out of the One Market building. And I really think that that building worked well with the design and intent of our poster competition, the students were able to spread out a little bit more than in previous years. So, they had a little bit more elbow room when they were talking to judges and to people who are viewing it. One of the things that I did notice is as a bit of a public thoroughfare, I would often go through just to check on the posters as you do when it’s your project. And I noticed on many occasions, I would see members of the public, whether they were people using the services that are offered by the City of Brantford in the building, or some of the employees, the different organizations that operate out of One Market currently, they were stopping and looking at the posters and walking around and admiring them all. So, I was really happy to see that. And then like I said, I was just really impressed by the the nature of the content. There were some really cool ones that I liked, where they were using 3D modeling, for example, to come up with new solutions to old problems. It was all in all really cool to see.
Bruce Gillespie 8:14
It was fantastic. And I noticed the same thing you did, because I was teaching one of my classes in the back of One Market. And so, every time I walked in, you’re right they’re members of the public, they’re just reading through these posters. And I thought this is fantastic. This is exactly what this building is meant to do at the heart of our campus, to pride that link between the community at large and our campus. And that’s something that I mean, Laurier Brantford has talked about since day one is, how do we create those relationships with community members to actually come and exchange and share with us, and so having this space where people can wander in and sort of see the research that our students are doing firsthand at their own pace, I just thought was fantastic. It worked out so nicely.
James Popham 8:51
Yeah, I was really and that’s something I tried to convey in my closing remarks, as well as at the remarks for the David Milgaard public lecture was that we’re all part of a community here In Brantford, it’s not just not just a cloistered institution in the middle of a city. We’re actually all integrated. And many of the researchers as well as many of the students are doing a lot to make a difference in the community. So, I think this is another step towards demonstrating that community integration that we’ve achieved here in Brantford.
Bruce Gillespie 9:24
Absolutely. So, one question we’re asking all of our guests, James, is you know how you’ve been adjusting to all the changes the, you know, the not being able to teach in person anymore. How is that going for you? What’s your home office setup like?
James Popham 9:39
My home office is a corner of my basement with a noisy sump pump that goes off at poorly timed intervals. I share it with our cat who spends most of her time down here. She’s trying to escape my two boys who love her very dearly, but maybe a little too dearly. And it’s, sort of, a forgotten corner of my basement. Because I’m commuting, I’ve tried to set up a little bit of a comfortable station. One of the things that I did a few years ago, I had a chance to go to a video game conference with a friend of mine who’s in the process of just finalizing a video game that he’s hoping to sell publicly very soon. And so, while I was there, there were all these different exhibitors. And there was somebody who was selling these gaming headsets there for the people who I guess go on Twitch and similar services and stream themselves playing video games. Which by the way, sounds like a really great career choice for me.
Bruce Gillespie 10:41
No kidding, right?
James Popham 10:42
Yeah. And so, I bought these really wild headphones for, I think it was $30 USD. And they’re just great. They’re noise cancelling, they’ve got a good microphone, everything. So, that’s been helpful when I’ve been recording my virtual lectures.
Bruce Gillespie 10:55
So, cancels out the sump pump, the meowing in the background,
James Popham 10:58
To an extent, I just pretend like it’s not there. And so, I’ve been using those that’s been helpful. I’ve set up a little green screen behind me. So, when I’m doing my live, my live presentations on Zoom or some of the other services, rather than seeing into my furnace room, which is what you would see if you had, if I had the camera turned on. I’ve got instead a green screen and I can put some nice pictures in the background.
Bruce Gillespie 11:31
That’s amazing. You’ve got your own set up, you’ve got a green screen in your basement.
James Popham 11:34
Well, I mean, they’re my son’s curtains that I’ve taken from his room, he just so happened to have green curtains.
Bruce Gillespie 11:42
I like that. That’s thinking on your feet, that is being nimble.
James Popham 11:47
Bruce Gillespie 11:48
Well, that’s great. James, thank you so much for joining us today on One Market.
James Popham 11:52
Thanks for having me.
Bruce Gillespie 11:54
Our next guest is Pilar Vergara-King, a fourth-year Psychology student who will be finishing up her degree this summer. She’s taken a lot of online courses, and is the senior peer mentor for online learning with Learning and Skills Development. I asked her how her life had changed since the end of in person classes.
Pilar Vergara-King 12:13
I moved home back to live with my parents about, I think, it’s almost four weeks ago, at the end of this week, it’ll be four weeks. And so, I’ve been away from my friends and my partner, and all that kind of stuff. And then obviously, with classes going online, there’s been a bit of an adjustment there as well. So, I think everyone’s probably gone through similar changes to mine. And they’ve all been pretty big changes in a short period of time.
Bruce Gillespie 12:42
How are you finding it, in terms of keeping in touch with your friends and your partner from a distance?
Pilar Vergara-King 12:48
It’s definitely been a bit of an adjustment, a bit of a challenge. But, you know, thankfully, we have so many different ways to connect with people. And I’ve been trying to do that to the best of my ability. So you know, with my partner setting up weekly movie nights, or with my friends, you know, trying to FaceTime or text with them whenever we have time. Because you know, even though we’re now permanently at home, it doesn’t mean that we actually have a lot of extra time for some people. So you know, still trying to schedule in time to talk to friends, you know, whether that’s just texting or through FaceTime or over the phone. Like I said, we’ve got lots of different ways to connect. So, trying to take advantage of all those different platforms that we have.
Bruce Gillespie 13:33
One of the reasons we want to talk to you was because you were the senior peer mentor for Online Learning at Brantford Learning and Skills Development Centre. So, you’re someone who’s taken a lot of online classes and certainly has done a lot of work to support students, as you continue to do, who’re taking online classes. So, what kinds of advice do you have for either students or instructors in terms of, of making online learning successful?
Pilar Vergara-King 13:58
Yeah, so for students, one of the main, one of the main pieces of advice that we give is to create a schedule around your online learning. So, a lot of the students that I see are students who are taking in person classes as well as online classes. So, we always say, to schedule in regular, regular class time for your online classes. So, if you have an in person class, you’re spending at least three hours a week in class. So, schedule three hours, at least three hours a week to be focusing on your online class and have it be at the same time every week. So, you kind of get into a routine and get into a schedule. We also recommend, you know, making it as much like an in-person class as possible. So, getting up getting out of bed, getting dressed, treating the day like you would treat any other day, if you are getting up and going to class that day. For some people, it’s really helpful to get out of their house, to find a space on campus, or maybe at a library, depending on where you live to actually have a physical place to go to. And that way you can kind of get more into a headspace of, “Okay, now it’s time to work.” Because the main difficulty that a lot of people with online classes may think that they struggle with is motivation. Because you know, you don’t, you’re not being held accountable to being in class every day. And, you know, seeing people maybe that you have the same class with them, and all that kind of stuff. So, making it as close to an in person class as possible, is usually a really great way to help with that, with that motivation.
Bruce Gillespie 15:36
So, there’s lots of really great resources that Learning Skills Development can offer students in doing this work.
Pilar Vergara-King 15:41
Yeah, definitely. So, usually, at the beginning of every semester, it’s our busiest time to make those weekly, and term and reading schedules that we do. And all those sources are also available online, especially because since the school is going fully online over the summer, that includes our services as well, as far as I understand at this moment. So, as much as we are available online to have appointments, and all that kind of stuff. Our resources are also available online. So, a lot of people really love doing the term schedules and the weekly schedules so they can see, you know, just on one piece of paper, every due date that they have, where they have to be at what time, scheduling all their weekly commitments, just on one piece of paper is super helpful.
Bruce Gillespie 16:31
As someone who’s taken a lot of online classes, do you have some advice for what you think makes a good online experience from the student perspective?
Pilar Vergara-King 16:38
One thing that’s always been helpful to me is, is having professors who are very available. Most of my professors have always been very easy to reach through email. But, since using MyLearningSpace is kind of where most of the learning takes place, it’s really helpful having professors or people who are running courses available on that platform as well. So, I’ve seen professors set up specific discussion groups within their course on MyLearning pace, that are for general questions, that are for exam questions, maybe questions about specific assignments that are there, I found that really helpful. And you know, since all the discussion boards are open, you can also go in and see if somebody else has asked a similar question. And it can kind of, definitely from the instructors perspective, that can help cut down on having to answer the same question over and over again, if you just have this open forum where students can go and see if their question has been asked and answered. And then it can kind of help with the flow of the class a bit more.
I’ve also found that having flexibility in assignment types, or maybe not necessarily due dates, but having flexibility in the kinds of assignments that are being offered has been super helpful to me. I remember my first online course, there were many different forms of assessment. And even within that, you know, of course, there were mandatory quizzes or obviously, mandatory exams. But, within the other types of assessment, there was lots of flexibility in what you could choose. And I found that really helpful, because, you know, with online classes, it can be difficult to be learning the content in this way because most of us are used to going into a lecture hall and listening to somebody talk to us for, you know, a couple hours and then absorbing the information that way. And then, you know, if we’re learning the ways, if we’re able to learn the content in a way that is helpful to us, then it doesn’t make doing specific types of assessment that hard. But when, you know, we’re, we’re learning this content in a new way, and we’re already making that kind of adjustment, having flexibility in the kinds of a set of assessments that instructors are giving can be really a really helpful way for us to make sure that we feel comfortable in conveying or I guess, in showing and being able to demonstrate our knowledge and demonstrate what we’re learning. So, those have been two things that have been super helpful to me when I when I’ve taken online courses. And obviously, you know, I’m sure lots of patience and understanding that this is a bit of a, it’s an adjustment period for everyone. So, even just communicating that at the very beginning of the course that, you know, we’re all kind of trying to work through this together. I think it would be definitely be a little comforting for everyone to see that.
Bruce Gillespie 19:25
All sounds like great advice to me. I’m totally taking notes for my next course. So, thank you for that. I really appreciate that. Our final question for you is the one we’re asking everybody, which is, now that everyone is staying at home, like they’re supposed to, instead of going out and having a life like you normally would, what kinds of things have you been doing to keep yourself busy or distracted?
Pilar Vergara-King 19:46
Yeah, so like I said earlier, I moved back home with my parents. I’m very fortunate that I can live on my own in Brantford, but that can get a little, a little boring pretty fast and a little lonely. So, fortunately I was able to come back home, so I get to spend time with my parents. So, that’s that’s one thing that I’m doing. I’ve recently watched the entire Star Wars collection, so that’s been fun.
Bruce Gillespie 20:16
That’s quite the undertaking. It’s huge.
Pilar Vergara-King 20:17
Yeah, so I recently got Disney+, so it’s made it a bit a bit easier. But yeah, I watched the most recent one last night with my stepdad. He hadn’t seen it yet. So I finished that. I think, like, most other people have watched Tiger King and have had, you know, many discussions with friends and family about that series. But, I also crochet, so I’ve been starting a couple projects and working on those. And the weather up here, I’m a little bit north, so the weather up here hasn’t been super great the last little while, so I haven’t been able to get outside as much, but the trips that I get to take to the grocery store with my stepdad have been, have been a bit of my, those have been my exciting outings since moving back home.
Bruce Gillespie 20:28
I think that’s something we can all, you know, sympathize with. I mean, I’ve never been so excited to leave my house and go to the grocery store. But, it’s a real outing now.
Pilar Vergara-King 21:17
Yes. But yeah, my my stepdad is, he’s, he’s considered a senior, and I’m immuno compromised. So, we get to go to the early first hour at the grocery store. And I’ve never been so excited to wake up at 7:30 in the morning, so that I can go grocery shopping with with my stepdad before. So, even though, you know, you’re feeling pretty groggy in the morning going and doing that, it’s still, it’s nice to get out and you know, get in the car, drive somewhere and feel like you’re kind of doing something. And that way we’re able to come home, you know, with all our groceries and put them away and then and do all that kind of stuff. So it’s been nice.
Bruce Gillespie 21:57
Oh, that’s good.
Pilar Vergara-King 21:58
Bruce Gillespie 21:58
That’s good. Pilar, thank you so much for joining us today. And thank you for all of your advice.
Pilar Vergara-King 22:02
Yeah, thank you so much for having me.
Bruce Gillespie 22:05
Our final guest is Rachel Cavin, who works in Recruitment and Admissions as our communications and Welcome Centre coordinator. She’s a well known figure on campus. And I think a lot of us are missing her positive energy and optimism these days. Here’s our conversation. We wanted to talk to you because you’re a really well known and well loved person on campus, partly because you run our Welcome Centre. So, you’re one of the first warm and friendly faces that visitors and potential students see when they come to campus. Obviously campus is closed at the moment. So, what’s it been like for you to try to do that work from home?
Rachel Cavin 22:43
This is an excellent question. The opportunity that we have had to adjust to now with working from home has definitely been a challenge in terms of recruitment. But, I think the team and the ambassadors and the current students, and then of course, our prospective students and families have done a really good job to, what I like to say, rebound and, kind of, adjust expectations and figure out new ways to connect. I find it challenging because I love the Brantford campus so much. And I think we have such a unique campus and our buildings are beautiful. When students start their tour with us in the Carnegie Building, I think we all know that that’s a bit of a showstopper in terms of historical building and beauty. And that’s really hard to replicate in a virtual tour or in a webinar, or you know, in emails and conversations that we’re having with students that way. But, with all of that being said, I think the world has adjusted and the expectations are a little bit different. And what I’m noticing is that families are just really enjoying the opportunity, the availability, to connect with students, with faculty, with staff. And as long as we continue to do that in terms of a recruitment effort, I think we’re able tomeet the new expectations that they have.
Bruce Gillespie 24:25
I haven’t thought about it like that. But, that makes sense that I mean, most people would probably have more time to actually, like you said, contact us, talk to ambassadors, talk to faculty when they would probably have been busy with 10,000 other things a normal year. I guess too, certainly I know from the faculty side and we’ve been working with you to do webinars like we normally do, but at least then we have some experience doing this kind of virtual promotion and recruitment. So, it’s not brand new to us. I guess the difference is that we’re doing only that at the moment, as opposed to the in person stuff we’d normally do as well.
Rachel Cavin 24:58
I would agree with that. And to the, to the level that we’re doing it is a little more intense. And we’re trying to make sure that those webinars, for example, or podcasts that our recruitment team are doing are made available, and that our prospective students and families are aware of those resources. The response to our virtual Laurier Experience web page has been very, very good. We were quick to the market with that web page. And the analytics and the usage of the web page and all of the various resources is quite good. And so, we’re very pleased with that result.
And I think that’s what sort of drives my answer. Had you asked me six weeks ago, “Are webinars going to be able to replace? Are podcast going to be able to replace?” I think all of us would have said, “Well, no, that seems a bit ridiculous because they need to see campus.” That’s always been what we’ve said, when they meet one of the ambassadors, when they meet a faculty member, when they walk through our buildings, that’s when families decide. And I think that that is normally true, right? That’s definitely normally true. But, in this situation, if they can connect and ask questions with a faculty member through a webinar, or they can send an email and a question directly to a member of our ambassador team, although it’s not the same, I think people are quite pleased with that opportunity. And with the convenience that that provides, because we are available during the day, they’re available during the day. And so, that provides a certain sort of modern convenience that I think our audience is learning to appreciate.
Bruce Gillespie 26:53
How are the ambassadors doing? The ambassadors, of course, are the students who are trained to answer questions, and lead tours, and talk to your prospective students and their families of those guests on campus. How are they doing during this? I know you keep in touch with them pretty closely.
Rachel Cavin 27:06
The ambassadors are outstanding students, we absolutely adore them, at a time like this ee adore them if it’s possible, even more, myself and Carly, from the Welcome Centre at Waterloo campus. Not a day goes by that we aren’t floored with the generosity, with the involvement, with the excitement. Just the, the projects that ambassadors take on. They miss the campus. They miss their classes, they miss their friends, they miss that interaction of being in the Laurier community that they love, and they hold so dear. And so, their response to us in terms of our recruitment efforts, you know, like, you know, “Bruce, can we have a student join us on a webinar? Can we have some take part in our Ask Me Anything email system that we’ve got on the Virtual Laurier Experience?” And they they literally jump at the chance, like they are amazing, because they’re working through so much to adjust to such a sudden change. So, not a day goes by that I’m not so grateful to have such an amazing group of students and how much we miss them. And I miss talking with them on a daily basis. And I know they miss the tours, they miss doing open houses, because they’re so passionate about their programs and their campus. And so, not being able to share that, it’s definitely something that they are not happy about. I don’t want to say they struggle with it, because I think they have other priorities going on right now with, with the virtual learning. But, they’re saddened by that missed opportunity, because that one on one connection point with a family to talk about how passionate they are about the programs that they take, is really important to them. So, I think they just, they miss that important connection. So, you’re definitely right when you say that.
Bruce Gillespie 29:17
And it’s great to hear I mean, they’re, they’re a wonderful group of students who do great work for us. So, it’s great that they’re able to continue doing that great work, as well as focus on exams and finish up the semester in such an unusual way. That’s great. Rachel, one of the questions we’re asking everybody is, given that we are staying at home as much as possible when we would normally be doing other things. How are you keeping busy or distracted in your off hours?
Rachel Cavin 29:44
Oh, that’s that’s an excellent question as well. Right now, my husband and I are trying to adjust to homeschooling, so I’ve got a daughter in grade four and a daughter in grade seven. That’s, that’s tricky. So off hours are usually trying to finagle through homework assignments and projects because there’s only so many computers in the house and, and you know, and if we’re working during the day and we need those resources ourself. Baking would be a big thing that I like to do. And I think working out is a big thing for me because it just helps me with, you know, emotional, or physical or mental stress that’s caused with all the changes, I find that if I start my day with some exercise, I always feel just a whole lot better, just very grounded. So, that’s something that I’ve learned is important. And then of course, I’m sure like most people, I’m really enjoying Netflix. The girls and I are enjoying the Great Canadian Baking Show right now. I really love watching that show.
Bruce Gillespie 30:50
Well that’s a nice way to look at it. And maybe when this is all over, I think there’s so many of us doing extra baking at home, when this all over, we come back to campus, we should have our own Bake Off and show off our specialties.
Rachel Cavin 31:00
We should do that. That’s a great idea. I think there’s a lot of people that are reacquainting themselves with the kitchen because, of course, that’s one of the first things that goes to the wayside when we’re busy running off to jobs and other responsibilities. But, now I know when I connect with campus colleagues, we’re quite often talking about how we’re spending more time in the kitchen. And I think that’s a really good way to kind of reroute ourselves and to take care of ourselves. So, I do appreciate that.
Bruce Gillespie 31:32
Rachel, this has been great. Thank you so much for joining us today.
Rachel Cavin 31:34
You are very welcome, Bruce. Thanks for having us on.
Bruce Gillespie 31:40
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